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Chiefs Pro Bowl G Waters not being shopped

Posted by Chris Brown on March 27, 2009 – 2:32 pm

In addition to refuting rumors that Tony Gonzalez asked to be traded, Kansas City GM Scott Pioli also stated firmly that Pro Bowl G Brian Waters would not be moved off their roster either.

There had been some speculation that Waters, who is unhappy in KC might be traded under the new front office regime. But Pioli shot that down in an interview with the Kansas City Star.

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Fan Friday 3-13

Posted by Chris Brown on March 13, 2009 – 3:52 pm

Here’s this week’s installment and to give you all a break I spared you Terrell Owens content. Believe it or not most Bills fans want to know about some of the unresolved issues facing the team like the offensive line situation involving the vacant left guard spot, Jason Peters and the draft. Let’s get started.

1. Hi Chris:
Two questions.  One, did you see the team having to make a choice between Greer and McGee this off-season, in that if we signed Greer we’d have had to let McGee go next year?  Second, what in your opinion will the Bills do to help their DE position?  With Schobel still a potential injury problem, Kelsey not providing a rush threat, and Ellis and Bryan not showing much yet doesn’t this position have to be addressed in free agency?  Thanks.

CB: I believe that Greer and McGee were part of one decision looking toward the future. I believe if the Bills re-signed Greer at $6M per season or more, it would’ve meant that McGee would have to find employment elsewhere after the 2009 season. Buffalo can’t invest heavily in three corners because it would pull investment money away from other positions.

I think knowing the Bills obviously didn’t offer Greer that kind of money, seeing that he signed in New Orleans for $4.6M per season, is an indication that they probably valued McGee more as a cornerback all along, and as much as I liked Greer, I tend to agree with that assessment.

I’d expect McGee to get an extension either right before the 2009 season starts or right after the season ends.

As for addressing the pass rush in free agency, the market was really thin at the position with respect to pure pass rushers. That’s why Houston overpaid for Antonio Smith. He’s not a premier pass rusher, but came close to getting paid like one.

I think the Bills and a lot of other teams see the draft as their best option for addressing the pass rush.


2. Hey Chris,
I know there is a lot of talk about the needs of tight end and defensive end to be taken care of in FA or the draft but I was wondering about the Bills options for center.
What about getting someone like Eric Ghiaciuc of the Bengals.  Could he be retained for say a two – four year deal? That would be an option in FA.
As for the draft I think with where the picks stand and the other pressing needs we have at other positions, we probably won’t get Alex Mack or Max Unger. But would the Bills go for someone like Antoine Caldwell from Alabama or Jonathan Luigs from Arkansas in the third?
I’d like to get your take on these options.  Thanks
Matt from Michigan

CB: With Geoff Hangartner on board, he’s the odds on favorite to start at center, but I think the Bills will draft some line depth. I like Alabama’s Antoine Caldwell too. Guy plays nasty and tries to bury people. Gotta love that. Luigs is more of a technician.

Think they’ll need a guard/center combo guy or maybe just a guard. I like LSU’s Herman “House” Johnson. Met him at the combine, has had some weight issues, but dropped 20 before the combine and is now at 364. Dude is huge. Probably a second or third rounder.

Wouldn’t mind adding a veteran guard in free agency.


3. Hi Chris,
Assuming Trent has a good/great year this year, when would he be offered a new contract?  He is in his last year of a three year contract, correct?  What would be the salary range be?
Whitney from Los Gatos

CB: Trent’s rookie contract doesn’t expire until after the 2010 season. I would think if Trent has a productive season and makes further progress in his game that they’ll look into signing him to an extension next offseason or perhaps sooner. The salary range will be dependent upon his statistics and how far the team goes in 2009. We’ll see.


4. Chris,

The Bills are obviously in need of a starting guard because we could not consistently run the football or protect the quarterback with Dockery.

I know the Bills have a few players that could fill in but I’m not excited about making any of them a starter.  There is just a handful of decent FA’s available and I don’t think one of them have visited Buffalo.

I heard a rumor we were interested in disgruntled guard Brian Waters from the Chiefs but he is older and would probably require a trade involving a draft pick.  Do you think there is any chance we would take Orlando Pace and make him a guard?  How do you think the Bills will fill this position?

Greg – Albany, NY

CB: I’ll actually have a story on the guard situation next week on, so stay tuned for that. But I believe both Kirk Chambers and Demetrius Bell will be given an opportunity to work at the left guard position through the spring OTAs.

I’m not saying they’re going to be the answer, but they’re both strong considerations in the minds of the offensive staff.

You’re right about Brian Waters. He’s a Pro Bowl guard, so he would come at a significant price in terms of a new contract and in terms of compensation (3rd round pick?). Orlando Pace is too tall to be a guard in my opinion.

The Bills just got rid of a player that was making too much money at guard. They need to invest in their left tackle, but if their LT, as reports have indicated, is asking for too much, then perhaps trying to acquire Waters becomes more realistic.

I also expect them to draft at least one interior lineman for depth, maybe two. Chicago just released Terrence Metcalf, who has been a career backup, so a vet might be signed for depth as well.

5. Chris,
What is the level, if any, of the progress being made between Peters and the FO for a new contract?  Do you believe it will be done by summer?

I’ve also heard rumors of a possible deal involving Peters to Philly, what’s the possibility and what is his value in such a deal?  I’m having a hard time believing there is a fair compensation for losing Peters, one of a handful of lockdown left tackles in this league currently.

I’ve seen failure after failure to draft such a talent in the first round and we have the cap room to pay the man what he is due at this point, I feel we should get the deal done, pick up one of the free agent linebackers and attack the draft at TE and DL/OL, what’s your take in the remainder of the offseason?

CB: Well according to reports the two sides still have some middle ground to cover. I’m hopeful it gets done prior to the draft. If not, the club MAY elect to move Peters. I don’t know that, but in all likelihood, the Bills would stand to get the most value for Peters at that time when teams are looking to fill positional needs.

Philadelphia is an obvious potential landing spot IF the Bills believe getting a new contract for Peters is a lost cause. The Eagles have a pair of first round picks and three fifth round picks. I don’t see why a 1st (21 overall) and a 5th (5th pick in 5th round) can’t be acquired for a two-time Pro Bowl left tackle. That seems reasonable. Heck maybe they can get more (1st and 4th).

Of course that would increase the likelihood of having to take an OT 11th overall to fill a huge need. In a perfect world I’d prefer to re-sign Peters to a long term deal and I have to believe the Bills would prefer that too. Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and you know how good Peters can be. As promising as some of the premier OTs in the draft are, they are unknown commodities at the NFL level.

As for the rest of the offseason, I’d like to see a veteran linebacker added for the strong side and a veteran guard (even if it’s a backup) for depth. I think most of the remaining holes can be addressed in the draft.

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No comment from Chiefs HC Todd Haley on G Waters

Posted by Chris Brown on March 2, 2009 – 9:45 pm

It looks like the Kansas City Star made an effort to get a comment out of Chiefs head coach Todd Haley concerning G Brian Waters request to get the heck out of dodge after he felt he was treated rudely by GM Scott Pioli, who did not want to meet with him for a get-to-know-you session.

Unfortunately Haley refused to comment saying the following.

“I’m in the business of trying to win football games,” Haley told the KC Star. “It’s very early in the game and we’ve got a long way to go. Right now, I’m just trying to find along with Scott (Pioli) football players to add to this roster. I’m still in the process of finding coaches. I don’t have a lot of time to worry about those things right now.”

I guess as far as Bills fans are concerned the only positive there is he didn’t say he’s not trading Waters.

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Brian Waters a trade target?

Posted by Chris Brown on March 2, 2009 – 3:32 pm

As we mentioned here last week KC Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters is disenchanted with the new Chiefs hierarchy (Pioli, Haley) and wants out. is reporting that the Bills would be interested in acquiring Waters via trade.

Waters is under contract for three more years at affordable money, but apparently wants a new contract. However, with former Bills guard Derrick Dockery getting $5.3M per season with his new contract back in Washington (5-$26.5M), Buffalo would likely have to agree to a new deal for probably $5.5M to $6M per season for Waters. The guy is a Pro Bowl player.

As much as I like the idea of Waters lined up next to Peters, my guess is this would take an awful lot to come to fruition. First, you’d have to negotiate  the terms of a trade, which will undoubtedly include draft picks for a Chiefs team looking to rebuild. My guess is at least a third for Waters and maybe a 7th on top of that.

Second, you’d have to negotiate an extension with Waters before the trade could be consummated. And there’s also the bottom line. With Jason Peters contract still to be taken care of, they may want to address that prior to making any more heavy investments in their offensive line. And once a new deal with Peters is done, they may find that making an additional investment in a Pro Bowl left guard, leaves them hamstrung to address some of their other positional needs.

I’d be surprised if this happens quickly, or at all because of all the hurdles that much be cleared to make it happen.

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Pro Bowl G Waters wants out of Kansas City

Posted by Chris Brown on February 27, 2009 – 7:17 am

It appears as if the Chiefs new hierarchy is rubbing veteran players the wrong way. According to the Kansas City Star, Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters has asked the team to move him after GM Scott Pioli reportedly refused to speak with Waters.

At this year’s Pro Bowl Waters was apparently told by Cardinals Pro Bowlers that Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was aloof and condescending. He reportedly has told Chiefs management he wants out and that his differences with Haley are irreconcilable.

Waters at age 32 would be a good get for the Bills, and is under contract for three more years for relatively reasonable money considering he’s a Pro Bowl talent. What he would command in a trade is unclear as the Chiefs reportedly don’t want to move him, but by the sound of the report Waters is adamant.

Here are his base salary numbers for the next three seasons.

2009 3,600,000.00
2010 2,900,000.00
2011 3,900,000.00

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