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Carpenter on PAT placement – hash or middle

Posted by Chris Brown on December 8, 2015 – 1:03 pm

Dan Carpenter wasn’t alone last week when he missed a point after attempt Sunday. There were nine missed extra points including one by Houston kicker Nick Novak. Carpenter usually kicks extra points on the left hash mark, but after a couple of misses he decided to kick it from dead center between the hashes to improve the margin for error. Unfortunately that didn’t work either. So I asked him what his preference will be moving forward. On Tuesday he said that’s still to be determined.

“I actually got asked after the game why I kicked from the hash and I had to correct them and say I was kicking from the middle if anyone was watching,” said Carpenter. “Everyone has got their own preference on where they go and why they do it. I’ve missed a few from the left hash so I was trying the middle and I’ll talk with a couple of the guys and see what they want to do.”

Carpenter’s decision impacts holder Colton Schmidt. Kickers typically choose to kick extra points from the hash, even though they’re allowed to have the ball spotted anywhere between the hashes. The reason why is it gives the holder a clear point to spot the ball in the tenth of a second or two between catching the snap and placing it down.

Both Rex Ryan and GM Doug Whaley in his weekly radio appearance on Bills flagship station WGR Sportsradio 550 have stated that they have faith in Carpenter and trust his track record, especially in poor weather conditions, which are on the horizon.

Carpenter however, doesn’t put any stock in his career numbers in lousy weather.

“Track record doesn’t mean anything. It doesn’t,” said Carpenter. “What I did last week doesn’t mean anything for what I’m going to do next week or the week after or the week after that. I just have to make kicks. That’s why I’m here and that’s my job. I’m going to do the best I can every week to get back to being the guy that they think I am.”

When asked if he’s frustrated, Carpenter answered in the affirmative.

“Why would I not be frustrated,” he said. “I mean they’re not going through those yellow things. That’s what I’m here to do and I felt like I’ve been kicking the ball really good and it’s not showing up on Sunday. That’s why I’m frustrated.”

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Extra points moved back to 15 yd line

Posted by Chris Brown on May 19, 2015 – 7:27 pm

The extra point rule rule changes proposed by the league’s Competition committee were passed by a vote of 30-2 by NFL owners. Here are the details. 

The extra point try will be moved back to the 15-yard line. Two-point conversion attempts will stay at the two-yard line. 

The other big change is the defense has a chance to score on a blocked extra point or intercepted two-point pass or two-point fumble recovery. If successfully returned it would be two points as well. 

More details on the change can be found here. 

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How much erasing extra pt would cost kickers

Posted by Chris Brown on January 22, 2014 – 12:38 pm

Kickers are routinely the highest scorers on their respective teams each and every season. The only field player in 2013 to eclipse 100 points was Kansas City’s Jamaal Charles with 114 and he still didn’t even outpace his kicker teammate Ryan Succop, who had 118. But if the extra point goes away, which has been raised as a possibility by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, it could cost NFL kickers big when it comes to points scored.

The top 25 scoring kickers in 2013 averaged just over 126 points with New England’s Stephen Gostkowski the league leader at 158 points.

Those same top 25 scoring kickers also saw an average of almost 40 of their points come via the extra point.

For Bills kicker Dan Carpenter his 131 point season would be reduced to a 99-point season if the extra point no longer existed. He’d still be the team’s leading scorer for 2013, but that would not be the case for every kicker in the league.

Chiefs kicker Ryan Succop’s point total would drop from 118 to 66 since 44 percent of his points came on extra points this past season. Nineteen of Succop’s points would go directly to teammate Jamaal Charles, who had 19 touchdowns assuming Andy Reid chose to stick with the seven points a touchdown would give his team if the new rules were applied eliminating the extra point.

Other team leading scorers that would change under the new proposed rule would include the following assuming teams took the straight seven points a TD would net on its own instead of trying for eight:

New Orleans
old point total – Garrett Hartley – 107, Jimmy Graham – 96
new point total – Graham – 112, Hartley – 66

old point total – Matt Prater – 150, DeMaryius Thomas – 84
new point total – Thomas – 98, Knowshon Moreno – 91, Julius Thomas – 84, Eric Decker – 77, Prater – 75

old point total – Dan Bailey – 131, Dez Bryant – 78
new point total – Bryan – 91, Bailey – 84

old point total – Robbie Gould – 123, Brandon Marshall – 76, Matt Forte – 74
new point total – Marshall – 86, Forte – 86, Gould – 78

old point total – David Akers – 99, Calvin Johnson – 72
new point total – Johnson – 84, Joique Bell – 58, Akers – 57

old point total – Mike Nugent – 107, A.J. Green – 66
new point total – Green – 77, Marvin Jones – 70, Nugent – 54

old point total – Alex Henery – 114, LeSean McCoy – 66
new point total – McCoy – 77, Henery – 69

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